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Cain Trying to Shut Down Questioning; Greece's P.M. Papandreou to Step Down; Former Penn State Coach Charged with Abuse

Aired November 6, 2011 - 18:00   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Don Lemon. Thank you for joining us. You are in THE CNN NEWSROOM.

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LEMON: We're going to start with CNN politics America's Choice 2012. Election Day 2012 is exactly one year away from today.

And the current Republican front runner Herman Cain is losing patience fast with the media's focus on sexual harassment claims from his past. We were the first to bring you this on our show, last night -- a fed up, angry Herman Cain struggling to change the conversation with a room full of reporters.

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HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I was going to do something that my staff told me to not to do and try to respond. OK? What I'm saying is this -- we are getting back on message, end of story, back on message.

Read all of the other accounts. Read all of the other accounts where everything has been answered in a story. We're getting back on message. OK?

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LEMON: Of course, the story is tailor-made for these two guys: Will Cain, a CNN contributor, L.Z. Granderson, a contributor to CNN.com and a senior writer at ESPN.

OK, guys, I got your tweet --

WILL CAIN, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Don Lemon, we're in New York. Why am I doing here?

LEMON: I know. I should be there. I should be there.

I got your tweets. And, you know, L.Z. said we are going to need 30 minutes on CNN just to talk about everything that's going on. Just retweeted and you may be right. We're going to bring you guys, have you on twice.

OK. Will, you are all excited. Dissing me because I'm in not in New York. How does Cain think he is going to get away with essentially telling reporters to shut up about this when there are so many unanswered questions?

CAIN: Well, I don't know if he's going to get away with it but I think the last few words were the whole crux of this issue. There are so many unanswered questions. This is still a story chock full of anonymous sources and no details, Don.

And I have been critical of some of the media coverage of this, because the theory around it impugns guilt. When you deal with sexual allegations, the accusation is often enough. As we saw with Dominique Strauss-Kahn, that was enough to label him a rapist and he'll never be the president of France now.

With Herman Cain, I just think we need to treat it with some level of responsibility and say, you know, there's still no clarity, there's no details, and everything is still vague on this issue.

LEMON: OK. I know, L.Z., you are itching to get in here. Before you do, I want to play something.

CAIN: He wants a half hour.

LEMON: I want to play something else from last night when the sexual misconduct subject came up again.

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REPORTER: Mr. Cain, the attorney for one of the women who filed the sexual harassment complaint --

CAIN: Don't even go there.

REPORTER: Can I ask my question?

CAIN: No, because --

REPORTER: Can I ask a question?

CAIN: Where's my chief of staff? Please send him the journalistic code of ethics.

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LEMON: OK. So, actually, I have the copy of the Society of Professional Journalists code of ethics right here. "Politico" says the Cain camp e-mailed them this last night and you can find it online easily. There are four major head lines here and here's what they say.

It says, "Seek the truth and report it. Journalists should be honest, fair, courageous in gathering reporting and interpreting information.

Minimize harm. Ethical journalists treat sources, subjects and colleagues as human beings deserving respect.

Act independently. Journalists should be free of obligation to any interest other than the public's right to know. Be accountable. Journalists are accountable to their readers, listeners and viewers with each other."

OK. You have that.

L.Z., how did anyone in that room violate the journalist code of ethics?

L.Z. GRANDERSON, CNN.COM CONTRIBUTOR: Absolutely not, you know? And the fact that Herman Cain is trying to make it about journalism and about the mainstream media, to borrow a line from our girl Sarah Palin, it just shows how irresponsible he is, how ill-prepared he is for this stage and for this moment.

The real problem with this is that he had an opportunity to get in front of the story and now he's been wagged by the story and he's upset about it.

And if I was a voter, I would say, if this is the man -- how he responds to something that is really not a critical issue in his face, how is he going to handle the real issues? You know, that to me would be a real moment of concern if I was a voter.

LEMON: Yes. We're going to talk about other issues as well a little bit later on.

But, listen, Will, there is a "Reuters" poll that's out there now indicating that Cain has lost some favorability but he's still holding at the top, the rest of the polls. Does he have anything to lose by attacking the media? I would say it's probably win-win for him because there are many conservatives who would say, it's -- you know, it's a liberal media going after him, even though they go after every candidate who rises to this occasion no matter if it's a woman, or a man, black, white, or whatever. Everyone gets this level of scrutiny.

CAIN: Yes. I would say you have seen the conservative kind of base circle the wagons around Herman Cain. You've seen that happen for I think three reasons.

One is because Herman Cain the man is very likable, very charming. You want to root for this guy.

Two, Herman Cain the symbol, not just because he is a black conservative, but because he's a businessman. He represents an outsider, a nontraditional politician.

And three, there is a sense of unfairness around the allegations because they are vague, because they are anonymous. I think a lot of people look at this and go, this doesn't sound quite like it should amount to a character assassination just yet.

So, that's why you're going to see him continue to do well in the polls. And I agree with kind of what you hinted out there, if he plays the media as a bad guy, probably a pretty good strategy.

LEMON: Yes. But you know? You just answered the question. As a candidate you said, listen, there's not much to these allegations, right. They are vague and what-have-you.

And that's how the question should be answered, instead of -- excuse me, excuse me, I'm not answering these questions. I'm not going to answer these questions.

I mean, it just makes -- it doesn't seem like someone in a position who is running for president and who's at the top of the polls. I mean, am I wrong, L.Z.? I don't know.

GRANDERSON: No.

LEMON: To me, it just makes him seem like he is not ready or prepared.

GRANDERSON: You are absolutely correct. He's not prepared for this moment. I don't think he thought he would be this popular.

LEMON: Listen, hang on before you do that. This has nothing to do with which side of the aisle he's on. This is just how he is reacting to this. If this was a Democrat, I would be saying the same thing. If this was an independent, I would be saying the same thing. He just seems ill-prepared regardless of what party he is.

GRANDERSON: Absolutely. I mean, I would challenge a couple of things that my friend Will has said. One, I don't think everybody likes Herman Cain. You know, there are some people who think he's likable and there are some people who can't stand his very face.

Two, the simple fact that he is playing politics with these whole allegations. Again, I go back to what I said about this when the story first broke. He went on the Christian Broadcasting Network and said that he was called by God to run for president and that he likened himself to Moses.

So if someone goes in your face and said, "Did you do anything that may question the trust your wife may have with you," you don't say I need to see the facts. You don't hand out papers with the Society of Professional Journalism code of ethics on it. You answer the question yes or no, and hopefully it's a no.

The fact he's doing all these stuff and dancing, that's think the reason why I think he is having all these problems. It is because he's a conservative black person. It's because he is not being honest and he's not being straightforward with this.

LEMON: All right. Will, we have to go but I'll give you the last word, sort of, because we are going to come back. Go ahead.

CAIN: I just want to say on this issue of him being unprepared to handle this. Herman Cain is certainly been guilty of being unprepared on many issues, most of them on substantive issues. But when we talk about how to handle crisis and how to handle sex scandal, I don't know that we can point to a politician who has laid the ground work for how you handle this.

Do you think Bill Clinton's administration and his circle said, hey, going into this Lewinsky deal, let's challenge the word is. There isn't a model for how you're prepared with sexual allegations, sexual accusations.

LEMON: Yes. Will, it's always a denial, and you would think that sometimes, people would learn from that, especially those in positions of power. It's not that it happened, it's usually the denial. I'm not saying that he's denying anything, it's usually how you deal with it.

OK, guys, we're going to talk more about this. Will, L.Z., stick around. We'll bring you back in just a few minutes.

While Herman Cain has received so much attention this week, what about other GOP candidates? What are they been up to?

We'll see you shortly, those two. Thank you.

By this time tomorrow, Greece could have a new prime minister. George Papandreou says he will step down if Greece accepts the $178 billion bailout deal negotiated with European leaders. The stakes are high, not just for Greece but all of Europe, and even in the U.S.

I'm going to go now to CNN's Diana Magnay. She joins us now live from Athens with the very latest on this.

Most of all, people here are concerned how it's going to affect me. That's what they're asking in the United States. How is this going to affect the rest of the world?

DIANA MAGNAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think, Don, this is going to be a positive. Basically, Europe has been looking for Greece's politicians to finally put their differences behind them.

Back there in the parliament behind me, for the last week, few months, it has been an incredible political drama, almost a political fiasco, where these parties have just been bickering, fighting amongst each other and never managing to come to some kind of agreement, despite the fact that the rest of Europe has been going to immense effort to try and get a bailout deal in place which Greece can agree to, which can try to get Greece out of its massive debt problems.

So, finally, in the 11th hour on the Sunday night, just before the markets open, of course, on Monday morning, there does seem to be an agreement reached whereby the opposition, the ruling party says, OK, we're going to get rid of this government. There will be a new interim government for the period that we can implement the bailout deal to save Greece. After that, we'll hold new elections.

And Mr. Papandreou, the prime minister, will not be a leader. Possibly a good thing. So many people in this country are fed up with him. He seems to have lost the respect of his European counterparts, to having sort of flip-flopped all over the place in the last week about what Greece was and wasn't going to do in terms of the bailout.

So, perhaps this is a fresh start. If that is a reassurance, then that is certainly a signal that Greece is trying to send right now. LEMON: Diana Magnay, appreciate your reporting.

And, again, we're going to ask why should Americans care what happens in Greece, even though it's relatively a small economy, Greece could bring down other larger European economies if it collapses and that's a big concern for the U.S.

CNN's Jim Boulden explains.

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JIM BOULDEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It will be very difficult for the euro to survive, for Greece to survive in the euro if it goes bankrupt. Banks to then stop lending to each other, recession could come back to Europe. That could affect the European markets and especially affect the U.S. market. Just I think of what happened after Lehman Brothers collapsed in 2008.

That's what upset so many people at the G-20 summit earlier this year and that's what upset the markets. You saw a lot of the markets (INAUDIBLE) throughout last week when it became very clear that Greece's government was having a hard time sticking together.

Now, we'll have to see in the coming days whether a new government can be formed and then they will start debate on this very unpopular us austerity package.

Don, back to you.

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LEMON: All right. Jim Boulden in Athens, Greece -- thank you very much, Jim.

Next hour, the managing editor of CNNMoney.com will join us to explain how the Greek crisis could impact your wallet. Make sure you stay tuned for that.

A rare earthquake shakes residents of Oklahoma and causes lots of damage. A live report is next.

And Penn State University is still in shock over sex abuse charges against a former assistant football coach.

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LEMON: It was literally a rock 'n' roll night in central Oklahoma after the strongest earthquake in the state's recorded history hit minutes before midnight. The 5.6 magnitude quake was the second one to hit the state in less than 24 hours. But this one played out on live TV. I just want you to look at a late-night newscast.

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TV ANCHOR: Having an earthquake right now. Our lights shaking quite a bit here. It is now calming down as another earthquake has just hit. I still hear a few lights rattling here in our studio. We will, you know, if you can still have our, if you can see our duratran back here, I don't know if you see it behind us, it's still shaking here in Oklahoma city. We do not know the epicenter as it just happened.

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LEMON: Hmm, let's go now to meteorologist Jacqui Jeras.

Jacqui, no report of any injuries, but certainly lots of damage, and probably because that stabilizes on the camera, you couldn't see it shaking. But when they point it to, you know, the duratran and into the set in the background, you could see it.

JACQUI JERAS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: I know.

LEMON: I was watching the ESPN after the LSU game and guy in Oklahoma goes, I have no idea what you just asked me because I think we were in the middle of a earthquake.

JERAS: Wow, it's just scary thing and look at the video there. We've got quite a bit of damage. You know, mostly things like cabinets opening up and all the food and stuff falling out of the cabinet. Some chimneys were damaged and did go through the roof of a house as a result of that.

One injury, I actually did hear somebody bumped their head but it was minor. So, nothing serious. And that's good news.

And also, some roads buckled. Highway 62, a pretty main road, there you can see it, buckled in several places because of this 5.6 magnitude quake. And this was the second one in less than a 24-hour period and there have been a number of aftershocks since then, too.

As we go to our map and I will show you Google Earth. And this is the area that we are talking about. This is about 50 miles or so outside of Oklahoma City. All those dots, by the way, the colors just represent how recent those aftershocks have been. But there you can see the 4.7 and followed by the 5.6. So, the 4.7, by the way, we would call it a foreshock.

Now, you think, Oklahoma, earthquakes -- what are you talking about? Well, they are actually pretty common, but usually they are so weak that most people don't feel them. In fact, last year, there were more than 1,000 earthquakes in Oklahoma. And the structure of this is there is a bunch of old ancient faults and they are much smaller. So, you know, there are just a couple of those around that area and they are very, very old. Generally, you don't create a very strong earthquakes.

Now, let's talk a little bit about that magnitude by the way. We'll take a look at the 5.6 that does cause some damage to buildings. But these little aftershocks that we have been seeing in the 3.0 range or so, maybe some minor damage but not everybody would feel something like that just to put it in perspective.

Now, the way the ground is east of the Rockies, you can feel this about four or five times as far as you would, say, west of the Rockies. So, people felt this in places like Texas. People felt this in Iowa. They also reported feeling this all the way in Illinois. So, that was hundreds of miles away, very interesting.

One other note I want to show you, Don, this is really cool. Doppler radar can detect things in the air that can detect things like bugs and birds. So, when an earthquake happens, what happens to all the bugs and the birds? They go flying into the air, right?

LEMON: Yes.

JERAS: So, we'll advance this and show you what it looked like right after the earthquake and there you can see them detected by Doppler radar. You might say to yourself by the way why is it so far from the earthquake, because the radar beam goes higher up in elevation the farther away that you get from it. So, they didn't see them that low because it's shooting too high.

LEMON: Very cool stuff.

JERAS: Isn't that neat?

LEMON: Yes. Glad nobody is hurt, so far.

JERAS: Yes, there will be more aftershocks, too, by the way in the coming weeks and even months.

LEMON: All right. Thank you, Jacqui. Appreciate it.

JERAS: Sure.

LEMON: The college sports world is reeling from child sex abuse accusations against an ex-coach for the in-state Nittany Lions football team. Jerry Sandusky, the team's former defensive coordinator, arrested for alleged sexual abuse, or advances on eight young men from 1994 to 2009.

Investigators say he met all of them through Second Mile, the charitable organization he founded for at-risk children back in 1977.

Sandusky is out of jail tonight on $100,000 bail. His lawyer says he maintains his innocence.

Also involved in the case, Penn State's athletic director Timothy Curley and Gary Schultz, university's senior vice president for finance and business. Both are charged with perjury and failing to report an investigation into those allegations.

Our very own Susan Candiotti has been digging around in this case for us.

And, Susan -- she joins us now from New York -- what are people saying tonight about how Penn State handled the sex abuse allegations?

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Don. You know, people who work with sex abuse victims are among those questioning how Penn State dealt with this. For one thing, Penn State officials, according to the grand jury report, said they thought the alleged sex assault by a coach of a young boy in a Penn State locker room was, quote, "just horsing around" and that's why the university told the grand jury it didn't try to identify the boy.

However, some question why Penn State didn't at the very least ask police to look to why a former coach and a boy were in a locker room, in a shower room, after hours.

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KRISTEN HOUSER, PENNSYLVANIA COALITION AGAINST RAPE: We see many institutions, whether they are large or small, deciding to take action to protect their reputation and their best interest first before the safety of a child.

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CANDIOTTI: So far, the university's president is saying very little, only issuing a statement. It says the two Penn State officials charged have his unconditional support, Don.

LEMON: Susan, of course, we have to talk about Joe Paterno. What about Joe Paterno? Is he saying anything tonight? And could he have done anything more than report this to the athletic director?

CANDIOTTI: Well, that's, Don, what a lot of people want to know. When a grad assistant told coach Paterno that he was a witness to assistant coach Sandusky allegedly having sex in the locker room with a boy, Paterno did report it to Penn State's athletic director. Now, Paterno is not under any legal obligation to do more. He's not under criminal investigation and he cooperated with the grand jury.

But some people wonder about moral or ethical obligations. They're asking whether Paterno could have done more, should he have done more to follow up, and should he resign over this.

LEMON: Susan Candiotti, following the story for us from New York -- Susan, thank you very much.

Up next on CNN, a landslide that has killed at least 18 people. Rescuers are working to remove rubble piece by piece in search of survivors.

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LEMON: There are growing fears in Thailand as floodwaters creep closer to the center of the capital. Much of Bangkok is under an evacuation order right now. People who aren't being ordered to leave are scrambling to protect their homes and businesses. Bangkok's governor says it may take months to drain all of the water out of the city. The death toll from months of flooding has reached 506.

In Colombia, this is a frantic search for survivors after a landslide buried more than a dozen homes. Red Cross officials say at least 18 people have died and many more are trapped under mounds of earth. About 100 rescuers are working around the clock at the disaster site. They say they are hopeful survivors will be found. Five people were pulled out alive last night, 15 hours after the landslide hit.

The Arab League is blasting Syria, saying it's failed to fulfill its promise to end a violent crackdown on anti-government protesters. Ministers have scheduled a meeting on the issue this week. Today, there was more bloodshed on the Syrian streets, even as the country marked an important religious holiday.

Here's CNN's Arwa Damon.

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ARWA DAMON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: In the Damascus suburb of (INAUDIBLE), the sound of intense gun fire pierced the air as demonstrators scrambled for cover following dawn prayers on what should have been a moment of celebration. It's the first day of a Muslim holiday of Eid.

In other areas they were spared the bullets for now. But rather than commemorating was one of Islam's holiest times, demonstrators in Syria mourned new martyrs and the price they continued to pay for their dissent.

Last week, the Syrian government agreed to an Arab League proposal that would have ended the violence and would have seen the withdrawal of the Syrian military forces from cities. Instead, activists say in many areas, the military beefed up its presence, like the flash point city of Homs.

The voice on this clip alleged to be from Homs says, "These are the reconciliations the Syrian army promised us." In this clip to be shot in Aleppo, the poster reads, "What kind of Eid (ph) was my father detained?"

Though state news agencies reported the release of more than 500 political detainees, activists say that's a mere fraction of those who remain behind bars.

Demonstrators carried an effigy of President Bashar al-Assad, the sign reading, "I am a liar, a criminal."

Meanwhile, on the very same day, the president himself makes a rare public appearance in the northern city of Rakka, as a crowd of supporters surrounded the mosque where he carried out his prayers.

The imam praising the president during his sermon for his leadership in the face of foreign conspiracies and terrorists armed gangs. It's as if Syria were split into two realities with both sides of warning of civil war, the bloodshed not even stopping during what should have been a time of forgiveness and peace.

Arwa Damon, CNN, Beirut.

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LEMON: All right. Arwa, thank you very much.

Next, why nearly two dozen protesters were arrested in Atlanta last night. That and more of your headlines after a quick break.

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LEMON: Let's check your headlines.

Nineteen "Occupy" protesters were arrested near a park in downtown Atlanta Saturday night. According to police, protesters were given verbal warning to be out of the park by 11:00 p.m. or face arrests, leading some to pour in to the streets disrupting traffic.

One protester was charged with aggravated assault and obstruction for assaulting a motorcycle officer.

Crooner Andy Williams is battling bladder cancer. The 83-year-old singer revealed his illness during a performance in Missouri Saturday night. A reporter from the "Branson Tri-Lake News" tells CNN that Williams told the audience that people with bladder cancer are, quote, "beating it and I'm going to be one of them." Williams starred in the "Andy Williams Show" during the 1960s.

Today's ING New York City marathon is one for the record books. Look at that. We were watching it earlier today. Kenyan Geoffrey Mutai set a new course record, shaving nearly three minutes from the previous record set in 2001. Unbelievable. This year's 47,000 runners is a far cry from the 127 that ran when the race started back in 1970.

A spokesman for Connecticut Light and Power says the utility won't make a promised deadline to restore power to 99 percent of the customers still affected by power outages. The state's governor, Dannel Malloy, asked state prosecutors to join a review into what he calls an inadequate response by the state's largest utility to last week's freak snowstorm. Nearly 100,000 people are still without power as temperatures dipped to the low 20s in some parts of the state overnight. A spokesman for Connecticut Light and Power says the company will cooperate fully with the state's inquiry.

Now big stories in the week ahead. From the White House to Wall Street to Tinseltown, our correspondents tell you what you need to know. We begin with the president's plan for the week with.

DAN LOTHIAN, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: I'm Dan Lothian in Washington. Just back from his overseas trip to the G20, President Obama will hit the road again this week. On Tuesday, he will tour a Head Start school in Pennsylvania. Then later, on Friday, he heads to San Diego to attend the NCAA Carrier Classic basketball game between Michigan State and the University of North Carolina. From there, he heads to Hawaii to attend the APEC forum where trade and the economy will top the agenda.

BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: I'm Barbara Starr at the Pentagon, and, of course, Veterans Day is coming up. It is expected to be the last Veteran's Day to see U.S. troops at war in Iraq. Most of them expect to be out of that country by the middle of next month. But for U.S. veterans, it is still a rough road home. Unemployment for veterans now at double-digits. And in Congress still a struggle from both Democrats and Republicans to pass a long-awaited jobs bill to help American veterans.

PAUL STEINHAUSER, CNN DEPUTY POLITICAL DIRECTOR: I'm Paul Steinhauser at the CNN political desk. Mitt Romney returns to Iowa tomorrow. The Republican presidential candidate hasn't spent a whole heck of a lot of time stumping in the state that kicks off the primary caucus calendar. But regardless, he is tied at the top there in the most recent polls with businessman, Herman Cain. Wednesday, the major presidential candidates team up in a CNBC debate in Michigan, which will focus on the economy.

POPPY HARLOW, CNNMONEY.COM CORRESPONDENT: I'm Poppy Harlow in New York. Coming up this week on Wall Street, we will have earnings from General Motors, Disney and Cisco. Retailers will also be in focus with numbers from Nordstrom, Macy's and Kohl's. And on Friday, the most recent look at consumer sentiment heading into the all- important shopping season, which is when retailers want consumers to feel very confident in the economy and spend more money. And on Friday, it is Veteran's Day, but the stock market will be open. We will track it for you all week on "CNN Money."

A.J. HAMMER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: I'm "Showbiz Tonight's" A.J. Hammer. Here's what we are watching this week. It's verdict watch, of course, for the Michael Jackson death trial. We, of course, will be there when the jury announces Dr. Murray's fate. And Lindsay Lohan goes to jail. We will have wall-to-wall coverage of her surrender to L.A. County authorities. Catch "Showbiz Tonight" exclusively week nights at 11:00 p.m. eastern and pacific on HLN.

LEMON: All right, thanks guys. Busy week ahead.

Herman Cain's sexual harassment scandal dominated the political headlines this week but a lot of people picked up on this, too.

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RICK PERRY, (R), GOVERNOR OF TEXAS & PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That little plan that I shared with you, doesn't force the Granite State to expand your tax footprint. You know what I mean.

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(LAUGHTER)

LEMON: What was up with Rick Perry's loopy speech in New Hampshire? Will Cain and L.Z. Granderson weigh in, coming up.

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LEMON: Without a doubt, the most dominant political story this past week was about the resurfaced allegations of sexual misconduct against Herman Cain. All the other candidates just seem to fly under the radar. Well, almost all of them.

I want you to check out part of this report on Rick Perry's speech in New Hampshire from our very own Jeanne Moos.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When presidential candidate, Rick Perry, gave a saluting, arms-in-the- upright-position, kiss-blowing speech, you could have thought he was just over-caffeinated, but when he opened his mouth --

PERRY: The day has been awesome, girl.

MOOS: You'll never look at this guy the same way again.

PERRY: If they print anymore money in Washington the gold is going to be good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a loosy goosy.

This is such a cool state. I mean, come on, "Live free or die"?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I will have what he is having.

PERRY: We are in to those slogans, "Live free or die," "Victory or death," "Bring it."

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(LAUGHTER)

LEMON: We always hate to cut Jeanne Moos short, of course. But I want to bring in Will Cain, CNN contributor, and L.Z. Granderson, CNN contributor to CNN.com, the senior writer at ESPN.

(LAUGHTER)

L.Z., what do you -- listen, later in that report, Jeanne Moos said that people thought he was channeling Paul Lynn --

(LAUGHTER)

-- from the game shows in the '60s and '70s.

WILL CAIN, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Who's Paul Lynn?

LEMON: Oh, no. Really?

(LAUGHTER)

The center square. Are you kidding me?

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L.Z. GRANDERSON, CNN.COM CONTRIBUTOR & ESPN SENIOR WRITER: Right. LEMON: Explain to him, L.Z.

CAIN: I thought you said 1960s.

(LAUGHTER0

GRANDERSON: Here, I can explain this. This is just one more piece of rotten behavior for Rick Perry. I don't get it. He gives these pathetic, low energy performances during the debates. Then he comes back at the last debate and he is all angry and agitated. And now he comes back and he's all loopy and Soupy Sales.

(LAUGHTER)

So I'm not really sure what is going on with Rick right now. But it is rather entertaining. I will tell you that much.

LEMON: So, Will, do you know who Soupy Sales is?

CAIN: Yes, I have heard of Soupy Sales.

(LAUGHTER)

LEMON: OK. There's one that -- we will give you much later then cultural reference. How about Howard Dean? Some people are calling this his Howard Dean moment after that infamous speech where Dean gave -- and said, we are going to Iowa back in 2004.

CAIN: Isn't that interesting? Howard Dean, poor guy, had one moment, one moment, one little tiny 20 seconds in a speech and it killed his campaign. I don't think this will happen to Rick Perry here. This isn't a good moment for his campaign. I don't think it will be the death knell, though.

Listen, let me tell you something, Don. I'm a Texas Rangers fan.

(LAUGHTER)

A week ago, they were one strike away from winning the World Series.

LEMON: Here we go.

CAIN: Twice. You can not miss these moments in time. What I am trying to tell you is -- I have written about this. The Republican Party is missing its moment in time. Barack Obama is incredibly vulnerable. The Republican Party has a huge enthusiasm for conservative principles. And unfortunately, that manifested in this, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, not Chris Christie, not Jeb Bush.

LEMON: Don't you just love Herman?

CAIN: You can't miss these windows.

LEMON: Isn't he the best?

(LAUGHTER)

So anyway, anyway -- that is going to have to be all.

Thank you, guys. I really appreciate it.

Because that was -- most of this week we spent talking about Herman Cain, but then that moment came through, sort of popped up. And Mitt Romney waits another week to really get back in it. He is still steady.

CAIN: Poor Mitt.

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LEMON: Yes.

GRANDERSON: Poor, poor Mitt.

LEMON: You said it.

Thank you.

GRANDERSON: He can't get a break, can he?

LEMON: Appreciate it.

I could do the whole show with you guys. You are fun.

Thanks. See you later.

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Coming up, how Antarctica may be taking on a new shape. NASA is tracking a monster piece of ice that is coming apart from the continent. We are talking as big as New York City. Details straight ahead.

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LEMON: A continental divide may be playing out before our eyes. NASA is tracking a gargantuan piece of ice in Antarctica that looks like it is cracking off the continent. That story in just a moment.

But first, we will go "Globe Trekking" to the hajj, the pilgrimage that millions of Muslims take. Well, it ends today. The pictures are always amazing.

CNN's international desk editor, Azadeh Ansari, joins us now to explain what the hajj is, and those amazing pictures we see every year.

AZADEH ANSARI, CNN INTERNATIONAL DESK EDITOR: That's right, Don. It's the largest gathering of Muslims around the world, as you know. And this year, they are estimating that 2.5 million are making this pilgrimage. And Mecca, Saudi Arabia, is the birthplace of the prophet, Mohammad, and the holiest city of Islam. Now I want to point something out. There is a lot -- yes.

LEMON: Can we see some of the pictures from the hajj, please, as we are talking about this? Even if we re-rack the -- yes, there we go.

ANSARI: Beautiful.

So, one of the concerns going in to this leading out of the unrest in the Middle East and North Africa was, is there going to be continued violence going in to the hajj. Fortunately, none of that has happened this year. Muslims came together and put aside their differences and it was really a time of unity, peace and brotherhood. And these pictures speak a thousand words, which is really majestic and moving when you look at them in its entirety.

And also, I want to point out one new feature. Google teamed up with the Saudi Arabian government this year to live-stream the pilgrimage on a YouTube channel.

LEMON: Oh, cool.

ANSARI: So you can watch it live if you go to youtube.com/hajjlive.

LEMON: All right. Great. Cool. So let's talk about something different, about a runaway iceberg in Antarctica?

ANSARI: Don, this is quite literally a breakthrough. And you'll catch my drift in a second.

LEMON: OK.

ANSARI: You have -- NASA scientists conducted over-flights over western Antarctica and looking at the Pine Island Glacier -- you are looking at it right here, the Pine Island Glacier, for our viewers at home. They noticed this crack in the glacier itself. This crack is 18 miles long.

LEMON: Wow. Oh, my gosh.

ANSARI: And 164 feet deep. They are estimating it is roughly the size of New York City. This delving (ph) process is breaking of the ice shelf from the glacier itself is a natural process that occurs. But anytime you talk about ice shelves, it raises the question, is it due to global warming. Scientists are now considering it as possibility, a strong possibility and a candidate, with the oceans warming up and everything.

LEMON: So they are investigating.

Hey, real quickly, let's talk about an asteroid.

ANSARI: Right. This is the closest visit we are going to have from a space rock this size.

LEMON: Coming towards earth. ANSARI: In more than three decades, coming to earth.

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ANSARI: But luckily, it is just visiting, Don. It is not staying.

LEMON: OK.

ANSARI: And you don't want it to stay. It is the size of an aircraft carrier. And it will be here on Tuesday. And if you miss it the next chance is 2028.

LEMON: OK.

ANSARI: Catch a glimpse.

LEMON: We will still be around hopefully.

ANSARI: Yes.

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LEMON: Thank you very much, Azadeh. Appreciate it.

Coming up, disturbing allegations against a former coach at Penn State have rocked the college football world. We will dig a little bit deeper into this case with "Sports Illustrated's" Jon Wertheim, next.

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LEMON: The NBA has given the Players Association until Wednesday to accept a new collective bargaining agreement. Both sides met for about eight hours on Saturday. The first such meeting after eight days after talks broke off last month. The latest proposal will give players between 49 and 51 percent of revenues. But Commissioner David Stern says by Wednesday it will fall to 47 percent. The president of the Players Association says the proposal is, quote, "unacceptable."

Penn State University's football program is reeling from terrible accusation against a former assistant coach. And it is shining an uncomfortable light, a spotlight on the team's legendary head coach, Joe Paterno.

Let's talk about it now with "Sports Illustrated's" Jon Wertheim.

There's the cover of this week's S.I., with the Green Bay Packers on the front.

So, Jon, these allegations, if true, it's just disgusting to hear. We've been following this story all weekend here on CNN. And I'm pointing out to our viewers that you're not only a writer for "Sports Illustrated." You're a non-practicing lawyer right now. So why is this a big deal, a bigger deal, than just some retired assistant coach some place facing some terrible allegations? WERTHEIM: Yes, you and I have talked about college scandals in the past and it's been improper benefits or rogue boosters. This is something totally different. This is a level of just sort of disturbing, shocking scandal that I don't think college sports has seen in a long time. So, A, there's sort of the nature of these allegations. Also, this is Penn State football. This is one of the iconic college sports programs. They win a lot of games. But you know what, this is also a program predicated on sort of rectitude, integrity. So to have a scandal like this -- Joe Paterno's name is in the complaint. He figures into this. He's not been charged, but he's a player in this. You put it all together, and this is really -- and I don't exaggerate. This could be one of the great, awful college sports scandals in the past few decades.

LEMON: Why do you say that?

WERTHEIM: Well, again, given the nature of these allegations, and given the reports of a cover-up that implicates Joe Paterno. This is not a rogue booster giving a couple hundred bucks to a football player. This is just a completely different level of allegation.

LEMON: Yes, you talked about a former player or someone there witnessing some alleged indiscretions in a locker room or in a shower, you know, with Sandusky and a young man. It's just -- it's horrible. And Joe Paterno is a name, Jon, that everyone knows, even non-football fans. And to be clear, he's not charged with anything. Paterno's not charged with anything, but it sure puts him in an uncomfortable spot, doesn't it?

WERTHEIM: Yes. I mean, he's in an uncomfortable spot in the beginning. He's got an employee coming and telling him that he witnessed this action by his loyal lieutenant. That's not an enviable position for anyone. Joe Paterno legally seems to discharge his duties. He goes to his superior at the athletic department. I think there's a discussion we could be having about whether, morally -- there's a moral component to this. What did he think when nobody went to the police? Nobody went to child services? What did he think when this lieutenant, given these allegations, subsequently came to games and practices with young boys?

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LEMON: Hey, Jon --

WERTHEIM: And you wonder what had the nature of that relationship with --

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LEMON: Can I jump in here?

WERTHEIM: Sure.

LEMON: Why do you think no one did it?

(CROSSTALK) LEMON: Do you think no one just wanted to believe it? Why didn't anyone step up?

WERTHEIM: Well, this is explosive, explosive stuff. This is a big-time athletic program. I mean, this is Joe Paterno's legacy in here. You're dealing with sensitive allegations. This isn't easy for anyone.

LEMON: It's children.

WERTHEIM: It's children. We've seen this with other institutions too. There are cover-ups and, you know, this is the kind of allegation -- I mean, frankly, it doesn't get much worse than these kinds of allegations. And I think, you know, you've got a lot of important people, why the police weren't summoned in is the ultimate question.

But let me just add real quick, these coaches are paid a lot of money to be the CEO of these programs. They don't score points, but they're paid like CEOs to manage it. And part of that means you take ownership of the mistakes. Joe Paterno may not have legally done anything wrong, but at some level, it's his program. This was done on his watch.

LEMON: What happens then? Does he have a regular meeting every week with reporters?

WERTHEIM: Yes, Penn State, ironically enough, did not play. But I wondering when the next time he has to meet with the media, what the nature of that conference call or that press conference is going to be. This comes during the season. Again, we're stressing this -- Joe Paterno was not charged, but this was his program. He's the CEO. Again, given his legacy, this is the winningest coach. This is a man known for his integrity. This is just shocking, shocking stuff. We'll see, as this plays out, will he be called as a witness? We'll see what the effect of this will be on his legacy.

LEMON: Yes, it's almost -- you can't even write this. It's like a "Law & Order" or something, where you see these sorts of things on television.

Thank you. Thank you.

Don't go anywhere, Jon.

When we come right back, we're going to talk more about sports and about former heavyweight boxing champ, Joe Frazier, who is very sick. That's right after the break.

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LEMON: We're back now -- back now with "Sports Illustrated's" Jon Wertheim.

Jon, we learned this week that boxing legend, Joe Frazier, is in a Philadelphia hospice with liver cancer. Tell us about his career. Has he ever gotten the credit -- I don't think he has -- the credit that he really deserves?

WERTHEIM: yes, he's one of boxing's tragic figures. This was Muhammad Ali's great rival. Beat him once, they had three great fights. But he was not Muhammad Ali's rival when it came to sort of the verbal sparing and jousting, and being a glib and dynamic personality. Muhammad Ali, I thought, was a big cruel with some of the remarks he had. And for years and years, decades after their great fights, there was this grudge match. And I think Joe Frazier was always a bit bitter. He felt he didn't get his due. He couldn't compete with Muhammad Ali as a statesman. Eventually, there was sort of this detent between the two of them. But neither of them now in great physical condition. I think a tragic figure, is how I probably think of Joe Frazier.

LEMON: Yes. And the video that's up -- I had the honor of interviewing him back in 2009. That was April of 2009. And he even sparred with me. And I mean, the guy could hit. I was like, if he hits me, I'm out. I'm going to be on the floor and it's going to be on camera. But he was an affable guy, a great guy. And as you said, he has never gotten over the verbal jabs from Muhammad Ali, as you said. He never became the popular pitchman like George Foreman. People even talk about how Philly built a statue to honor the fictional Rocky, but never built one to honor Joe Frazier. Is he a tragic figure, though?

WERTHEIM: Yes, he did not have such easy living after his boxing career. Some of that was probably his own doing. He could have been a little quicker to forgive Ali. Ali didn't help matters. But boxing's the hurt business. He did a lot of good in Philadelphia, but, as you said, was never able to parlay that into a national profile as other fighters have. Obviously, the news of the past few days is tragic.

LEMON: Smokin' Joe, Smokin' Joe Frazier. That's all --

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He kept saying that, you know, when we were -- when we interviewed him. But again, we hope he gets better. What do you see, though? What do you see as his legacy? He is not gone, but still I talked to him about his legacy, and he said he thinks it's his camp in Philadelphia, his boxing camp, that he says helps a lot of kids who are underprivileged, kids who might be on the streets. Do you see that as part of his legacy?

WERTHEIM: Yes, he did a lot of good work after his fight. I think, ultimately, his legacy is going to be the guy who was the closest thing Muhammad Ali had to a rival, the first guy to beat Ali, three classic, classic fights all over the globe. I think his legacy, first and foremost, is going to be as a fighter. He did a lot of good that probably didn't get as much attention as it should have.

LEMON: OK. We wish him well, and his family as well. Again, he is a great guy.

Can you see the monitor? Can you see air here? WERTHEIM: I was waiting for you to bring that.

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There you go.

LEMON: That's your alma mater.

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WERTHEIM: But I like the lid.

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It was a dramatic game, not a pretty game, but your LSU Tigers hold on. They're -- you know, that's our -- that's our number-one team, so I'll give you credit for that one.

LEMON: Yes, you can't win them all, except if you're an LSU Tiger.

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Thank you very much, Jon Wertheim.

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We'll see you next weekend. Appreciate it.